Since I am about to begin a series on John the Baptizer it is only fitting that this week’s quote from N.T. Wright be related somehow. I am taking this one from The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions co-authored with Marcus J. Borg (p. 102) where he discusses the difference between the longevity of the Jesus Movement after Jesus’ death with that of John after his:
“Had the story ended there, there is no reason to suppose that any kind of Jesus movement would have survived for very long. John the Baptist’s movement survived, as we know from Acts (and by implication the gospels, not least John), but probably not for more than a generation. John could still be regarded as a prophet after his death. It is conceivable that after Jesus’ death some of his followers would have continued to see him in the same way, however much that would have represented a shrinking of the aspirations and expectations they had cherished during his lifetime. But the more we recognize the messianic nature of Jesus’ actions and words, and the messianic expectation of his followers, the more it becomes exceedingly strange to imagine such a movement, with such messianic emphasis, continuing after his death. Nobody in 71 C.E. said that Simon bar Giora was the messiah, or even a great prophet: nobody in 136 C.E. continued to believe that Simeon ben Kosiba really was Bar-Kochba, “the son of the star.”
To summarize: If Jesus had claimed to be merely a prophet we could see him remaining popular after death for about a generation much like John did. What complicates things is he claimed more than John. He claimed messianic status. Yet unlike other messianic pretenders whose memories were abandoned at death, the Jesus movement continued. This is astonishing.
Brian I’m interested in how N.T. Wright would respond to someone who claimed that Muhammad and Joseph Smith also claimed to just be prophets, and we have seen the movements they started expand for more than a generation. They’re global and growing. Does Wright address this issue in the book?
Billy,
Yes, the major difference would be he argues that Jesus actually claimed to be a messianic figure and that the claims of his earliest followers followed. John claimed to be a prophet and when he died it caused no trouble since prophetic expectations are not the same as messianic. Likewise, Muhammad and Joseph Smith never claimed to be Messiah figures and there was no pre-set messianic expectations that had to be realized.
For Jesus to have died, and for him to have claimed to be the messiah while seemingly not meeting messianic expectations, should have resulted in the end of his movement like those of Simon and Simeon. But it survived, and thrived, and grew for some odd reason. Wright attributes this to the resurrection.
Off Topic.
My goodness Brian it’s a week since you advised me to get “Simply Christian” in an attempt to write a piece that presents the essence of our our faith on my blog.
Where does the time go?
The book was delivered last Friday, I worked on the piece over the weekend and popped up “<a href="http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/echoes-god/"Echoes of God" on Monday.
Obvioulsy this piece draws heavily from Simply Christian and brings in to the mix some from Surpised by Hope, with some of my own thoughts.
Have had some great feedback from a Christian forum and from an atheist (some negative as well), so all in all I’m well pleased. Obvioulsy it’s not to everybody’s taste, but what I like about N T Wright is that he comes at things from an unusual and novel stance, which gets you thinking about things in a new light.
So thanks for the book advise….
Sorry the link didn’t work, so for anyone interesting in reading the piece it’s here:
http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/echoes-god/
Stuart,
You’re welcome. I will try to take a look at your link soon.
Brian I’m about to finish “What St Paul Really Said”, what would you recommend I buy next from N T Wright?
Stuart,
Which books do you have now? I haven’t read everything of Wright (for instance, I have never read that book) but maybe I can still help.
All I’ve read so far is Simply Christian Surpised by Hope, that’s it, but there are so many to choose from I don’t know which to get first…